Ken Coleman sits down with John Eldredge at Catalyst West to talk about Heaven, parenting, and John's book, The Utter Relief of Holiness. We also hear from Ryan O'Neal from the band, Sleeping at Last. He tells Carlos Whittaker about songwriting and touring. And Brad and Ken share their latest Leadership Nugget.

Direct download: Cat13Pod_237_JohnRyan_Final.mp3
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