Brad Lomenick sits down with comedian, author, and Associate Pastor of Lakewood Church, John Gray, at Catalyst West and talks about family and what it's like to lead alongside Joel Osteen. Then, Jason Haynes chats with J.D. Greear, Lead Pastor of The Summit Church in Raleigh-Durham, and author of Gaining By Losing, and talks about why it's good to lose your church members.

Direct download: Cat15Pod_326_JohnJD_Final.mp3
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