A double interview episode featuring John Burke, senior pastor of Gateway Church in Austin, and author of new book Mud and the Masterpiece, along with Dr. Brenda Salter McNeil, author, speaker and professor at Seattle Pacific University. Plus the return of Brad and Ken's leadership nuggets.

Direct download: Cat13Pod_BrendaSalterMcNeil_Final.mp3
Category:general -- posted at: 10:45am EST



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